Since the average gamer, Is 20 to 30. An dult it would make sense to make more games geared to a older audience.I think there could be more art in games if there were less constraints.why is the AO rateing a negitive stigma to the gameing world?
It's got a stigma attached because for everything besides Manhunt 2, AO=porn. Really, that's how it works, AO is interactive porn.The way it is set up though is that if there is a game that is rated AO and doesn't suck, there isn't an avenue for you to play it on a console due to what Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo decide. Sure, you could still play it on the PC, but most stores won't even carry it. On that note, this topic has been played to death, so please let the thread die.why is the AO rateing a negitive stigma to the gameing world?
[QUOTE=''AtomicTangerine'']It's got a stigma attached because for everything besides Manhunt 2, AO=porn. Really, that's how it works, AO is interactive porn.The way it is set up though is that if there is a game that is rated AO and doesn't suck, there isn't an avenue for you to play it on a console due to what Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo decide. Sure, you could still play it on the PC, but most stores won't even carry it. On that note, this topic has been played to death, so please let the thread die.[/QUOTE]Unfortunate, yes. Another stipulation in America that we must cater to the whim of every poor little child soul out there. What about adults like us who sometimes want something....adult? Unfortunatly until a developer can find a good outlet/basis for an AO game it'll never happen :/
[QUOTE=''DarKre''][QUOTE=''AtomicTangerine'']It's got a stigma attached because for everything besides Manhunt 2, AO=porn. Really, that's how it works, AO is interactive porn.The way it is set up though is that if there is a game that is rated AO and doesn't suck, there isn't an avenue for you to play it on a console due to what Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo decide. Sure, you could still play it on the PC, but most stores won't even carry it. On that note, this topic has been played to death, so please let the thread die.[/QUOTE]Unfortunate, yes. Another stipulation in America that we must cater to the whim of every poor little child soul out there. What about adults like us who sometimes want something....adult? Unfortunatly until a developer can find a good outlet/basis for an AO game it'll never happen :/[/QUOTE]Japan creates a TON of AO games. Creeps me out. They are all mostly hentai types of games. The only reason AO games are not sold on the public markets is because ''worried'' mothers are scared that their child will turn into a porn addict... For now, all I can say to adults is to look for some trustworthy retailers.Also, I know for a fact most porn is directed towards MALES other than females.
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It's simple. Gaming industry has not matured yet.Japan I'd say has most matured gaming culture in the world, but even there AO rating is foriegn on consoles.When people can accept games are part of their culture like movies and don't put it down by just calling them ''games'' as if they were mere toys, maybe then the industry can really make good use of AO.
[QUOTE=''ChicaQueenWarGa'']Japan creates a TON of AO games. Creeps me out. They are all mostly hentai types of games. The only reason AO games are not sold on the public markets is because ''worried'' mothers are scared that their child will turn into a porn addict... For now, all I can say to adults is to look for some trustworthy retailers.Also, I know for a fact most porn is directed towards MALES other than females.
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[/QUOTE]What's so creepy about their AO games?Sure it focuses more on their sexuality than anything else, but that's not all it provides. Many of their games provides unique experiences and often deals with many life issues. Also I think it is much more positive than just porns because they portray emotions for their actions. It's not just mindless animal sex for most of those games. Although many of them do have women that are rather easy to get them to the bed and perform things 90% of women out there wouldn't do. Not only that, no women are getting exploited in those games. It does create many false image of women and objectifying them to negative degress, but it does provide enough of other things to make the female characters in the game more than just sex objects. Compared to regular porns, I'd say hentai games are much more positive towards society.
It's negative because, for the most part, you can make just as good of a game with a Mature rating. To get an AO you usually have to be trying to get it. Plus, if I was a parent, I wouldn't want my kids playing that stuff.
[QUOTE=''thnickaman13'']It's negative because, for the most part, you can make just as good of a game with a Mature rating. To get an AO you usually have to be trying to get it. Plus, if I was a parent, I wouldn't want my kids playing that stuff.[/QUOTE]Of course not. That's why AO stands for ADULTS ONLYwhy would you even think about your kid playing a game that is labled ADULTS ONLYworrying about such game being created is like worrying about porn being filmed or movies releasing R rated movies. I'd rather worry about Titanic getting PG-13 rating despite having boob scene and the use of the F word. ADULTS ONLY game being created is not a problem.
[QUOTE=''TriangleHard''] It's simple. Gaming industry has not matured yet.Japan I'd say has most matured gaming culture in the world, but even there AO rating is foriegn on consoles.When people can accept games are part of their culture like movies and don't put it down by just calling them ''games'' as if they were mere toys, maybe then the industry can really make good use of AO. [/QUOTE]I'll agree with you that the gaming industry is put down to the level of toys while perhaps a few noted examples approach artwork, I don't think the industry's reaction to AO is a good example of this. It seems to me a rather easy comparison is to NC-17 for film. From what I've heard (I'm no critic to be sure), director's will do whatever they can to reduce the explicit content in their work to achieve an ''R'' rating as traditionally NC-17 movies fail for the same reasons the majority (all?)of AO titles do. For this reason, I don't think we can claim that the reaction to explicit content is unique to gaming at all.
[QUOTE=''Phaze3031''][QUOTE=''TriangleHard''] It's simple. Gaming industry has not matured yet.Japan I'd say has most matured gaming culture in the world, but even there AO rating is foriegn on consoles.When people can accept games are part of their culture like movies and don't put it down by just calling them ''games'' as if they were mere toys, maybe then the industry can really make good use of AO. [/QUOTE]I'll agree with you that the gaming industry is put down to the level of toys while perhaps a few noted examples approach artwork, I don't think the industry's reaction to AO is a good example of this. It seems to me a rather easy comparison is to NC-17 for film. From what I've heard (I'm no critic to be sure), director's will do whatever they can to reduce the explicit content in their work to achieve an ''R'' rating as traditionally NC-17 movies fail for the same reasons the majority (all?)of AO titles do. For this reason, I don't think we can claim that the reaction to explicit content is unique to gaming at all.[/QUOTE]The difference is what's allowed in rated R movies and M rating games.Many of the restrictions for M ratings are allowed in R rated movies. I think that's a good indication how much movie industry has evolved and gaming industry needs to time to mature. It's getting better, and I'd give gaming industry another generation or two to catch up to freedom of movie industry. In that aspect, I think gaming industry is doing fine. As for Adults only rating. NC-17 movies do fail quite a bit if they are serious movie intended for theatre. However, if the movies were targeted differently like porn industry, then that's whole another story. Film industry embraced the porn industry while gaming industry have not. I think that shows another sign of maturity.General publlic understands that there are some movies for adults and there are some movies for kids. However, it seems general public still has trouble understanding that some games are for adults and some are for kids. To them, anything that is for adults is evil game, like GTA series.When gaming industry can make general public to have same understanding as movie industry, that when gaming industry have fully matured.
The problem is the Big Three don't support AO games. They don't want them on their consoles, and most stores won't sell AO games. Getting the AO rating on your game is the kiss of death, and it's usually associated with porn, even though the ESRB ratings guide explicitly states that extreme violence could also warrant the rating.
The reason is because all the big retailers (Wal-mart, Target, etc.) won't sell AO rated games.
I don't think some people realize this, but I just want to say it again to make sure everybody realizes it. AO GAMES ARE PORNYes, you can get it for extreme violence, but I can't think of one game that has happened to. Even Manhunt 2 just had it because of how you cut a guy's balls off and stuff like that. Major retailers won't carry those games, and they don't carry those movies either. It isn't a stealth censor, it is the industry not wanting you to stick the Wiimote in places where it should never, ever be.
What's wrong with porn? Why can't developers be encouraged to make porn? Is there a problem with it?
[QUOTE=''TriangleHard''] As for Adults only rating. NC-17 movies do fail quite a bit if they are serious movie intended for theatre. However, if the movies were targeted differently like porn industry, then that's whole another story. Film industry embraced the porn industry while gaming industry have not. I think that shows another sign of maturity.General publlic understands that there are some movies for adults and there are some movies for kids. However, it seems general public still has trouble understanding that some games are for adults and some are for kids. To them, anything that is for adults is evil game, like GTA series.When gaming industry can make general public to have same understanding as movie industry, that when gaming industry have fully matured.[/QUOTE]Point taken. Taking into consideration that there are looser restrictions for movies than for games, I imagine it is related to control; a game places the player in the role of such and such situation. In a way, it is the player that is performing whatever illicit action a particular game allows. Even though this is an obviously fictitious world, it doesn't seem surprising that people wonder at the appeal of these games. ''Why does my Timmy play a game where he shoots people walking down the street? Why is that fun?'' It would seem then, that this differs from a movie for the obvious reason. All movies are told from a third person perspective - we are trained to judge characters (including the protagonist). When a particular character makes an immoral choice it is interpreted as the character's choice which results from his or her current situation.In a game where the player is the main character, it seems a little tougher to explain the action of, for example, Manhunt as deep character development. That's not to say there isn't character development in the game, but the fact remains that there is less distance between the player and the game then there is in the viewer (or reader, for that matter, in the case of books) and the movie.
[QUOTE=''Phaze3031''][QUOTE=''TriangleHard''] As for Adults only rating. NC-17 movies do fail quite a bit if they are serious movie intended for theatre. However, if the movies were targeted differently like porn industry, then that's whole another story. Film industry embraced the porn industry while gaming industry have not. I think that shows another sign of maturity.General publlic understands that there are some movies for adults and there are some movies for kids. However, it seems general public still has trouble understanding that some games are for adults and some are for kids. To them, anything that is for adults is evil game, like GTA series.When gaming industry can make general public to have same understanding as movie industry, that when gaming industry have fully matured.[/QUOTE]Point taken. Taking into consideration that there are looser restrictions for movies than for games, I imagine it is related to control; a game places the player in the role of such and such situation. In a way, it is the player that is performing whatever illicit action a particular game allows. Even though this is an obviously fictitious world, it doesn't seem surprising that people wonder at the appeal of these games. ''Why does my Timmy play a game where he shoots people walking down the street? Why is that fun?'' It would seem then, that this differs from a movie for the obvious reason. All movies are told from a third person perspective - we are trained to judge characters (including the protagonist). When a particular character makes an immoral choice it is interpreted as the character's choice which results from his or her current situation.In a game where the player is the main character, it seems a little tougher to explain the action of, for example, Manhunt as deep character development. That's not to say there isn't character development in the game, but the fact remains that there is less distance between the player and the game then there is in the viewer (or reader, for that matter, in the case of books) and the movie.[/QUOTE]I'd like to believe that adults are able to differentiate between reality and games or it would be really scary to live in this world. And if you are young enough to get absorbed into games that much to the point it can change your thought process, then that kid shouldn't be playing adult rated game in the first place. Also whatever games can do, human mind can do much worse. In my mind my ex has been grinded to death because she's been such a ****** to me, but I know if I do that in reality, I'll be caught by CSI immediately so I don't do it. I don't think that should be any reason to disallow the creation of more adult oriented games.
I'd like to believe that adults are able to differentiate between reality and games or it would be really scary to live in this world. First of all, you're assuming all adults are the same, which is something you better delete from your programming right now. Second, there are millions of people (young and old) that cannot tell the difference between reality and make-believe.Third - I hate to break it to ya - but it IS a scary world we live in, and embracing the things that make it worse, isn't helping..
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I'd like to believe that adults are able to differentiate between reality and games or it would be really scary to live in this world. First of all, you're assuming all adults are the same, which is something you better delete from your programming right now. Second, there are millions of people (young and old) that cannot tell the difference between reality and make-believe.Third - I hate to break it to ya - but it IS a scary world we live in, and embracing the things that make it worse, isn't helping..[/QUOTE]First, retarded individuals can find inspiration to do retarded things from anywhere. Maybe if they make games that allows them to do retarded things in virtual reality world, perhaps they will do it in the game instead of in reality. second, I doubt differentiating reality from make believe isn't any more difficult in games compared to movies. When people are stupid, they do stupid things like some kid that jumped out a window thinking he is super man. third, things that make the world become worse aren't games but neglecting people who needs help. Games don't make people worse, it's ignorance that makes things worse.
None of the console makers want to be known as the system which the porn games are on. While many adults play games, they know that a significant part of their market is children and teenagers. Now we already saw how the media had a field day with hot coffee, which is kind of a joke since if you are going to alter a game's code, you could insert your own stuff into it anyway really, but I digress.The console makers probably figure that whatever inrceased sales they might have by allowing AO games would be more than offset by the lost sales of parents not wanting to buy their kids ''the console with the porn games.'' They are probably right.
Most stores don't sell them.
